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Yeah, I had the same
But hey, trying different things is quite nice
But hey, trying different things is quite nice
Indeed!Yeah, I had the same
But hey, trying different things is quite nice
Just go with a single infusion at about 67c, it really works well. Must be horrible trying to heat the flour water!I used this method to brew 30 L of wort today. 25 for a wild fermentation, 5 extra because I always overshoot my gravity with this stuff.
Let's just say this does not work in an electric kettle with a traditional mash scheme. Ended up doing it in two pans before blending all the wort together and taking out 5-6 L for a session hazy.
Recipe:
OG: 1.050
Malt (for 28 liters in total):
2.5 kg lager malt
2.0 kg wheat flour
0.5 kg flaked oats
10 mins at 45 C (ended up much longer though because of all the scorching)
10 mins at 56 C
30 mins at 65 C
30 mins at 72 C
Hops (60 and 10 minute boil):
30 g aged hops @ 60
Yeast:
Whatever is in the air tonight and maybe a random packet to at least get some going.
OR
10 g Sabro @ 10
15 g Sabro FO
15 g Simcoe FO
Whirlpool:
25 g Sabro
25 g Simcoe
Dry hops:
50 g Sabro
Whatever Idaho 7 I have left. Probably around 10-20 grams.
Yeast:
Verdant IPA
Next year I'll try a single infusion at 69 C to skip this nonsense or just use pans from the start.
Yeah that wasn't very nice. I also found out my new (secondhand) fermenter is larger than 25 liters so I'll brew another one soon as well to top it off. Thinking of splitting that one as well if the IPA turns out well.Just go with a single infusion at about 67c, it really works well. Must be horrible trying to heat the flour water!
Split batches are always a very good idea. A very convenient way to get to know the difference of single recipe changes like different yeasts of different dry hops and so on.Yeah that wasn't very nice. I also found out my new (secondhand) fermenter is larger than 25 liters so I'll brew another one soon as well to top it off. Thinking of splitting that one as well if the IPA turns out well.
You simply cannot use self rising flour!!!Getting ready to try this @Miraculix , with the Sabro.
Was simply going to get whole wheat store brand, but if it's self rising, how do you (if at all) account for the salt and baking powder (Baking powder is a dry chemical leavener made from sodium bicarbonate (baking soda), an acid (like cream of tartar) and cornstarch.)?
Well, since you feel so wishy washy about it. Ya know, it's hard to tell where you stand on the subject sometimes, beating around the bush and all.You simply cannot use self rising flour!!!
The trick is to gently massage the bag while draining it so that everything is in a constant movement.Ok. Mashin was scary w 4# milled Pils malt and 5# bag of flour stirred in w malt the poured and whisked and stirred and whisked and stirred and sweared at, resulting no n what can only best be described at dumpling goo. At 30 min stir and take ph sample, all was lovely. Now the bad news. For anyone trying this BIAB, be prepared to wait about a week for the mash to drain. Perhaps rice hills would have helped. I don’t know. I’ll let you know in about an hour or three how it finally finished. This shows that raising the bag lifted the entire batch pretty much w the water level up high in the bag and very little underneath in the kettle
I did find that out the hard (time) way, thanks.The trick is to gently massage the bag while draining it so that everything is in a constant movement.
Your patience will be rewarded!I did find that out the hard (time) way, thanks.
My typical brew day sees about 5 min drain, then put kettle back on burner while getting 11-12 minutes of drain for about maybe 2-3 cups tops more, while coming to a boil. And I like that timing. This was 20 minutes and just wasn't doing anything so I lowered it back in, stirred in 1/2# of rice hulls, and kept poking and jiggling the bag. I drained about 30 minutes, and that was my full vol. I also overshot OG, likely due to flour being 100% starch w no hulls or anything (it's "pre sifted flour" after all). Lessons learned are to expect slow lauter, try whole wheat next time (the cheaper no-brand offerings were only white bleached or unbleached, being the one I chose), use rice hulls. It's a pretty murky looking brew going in the fermenter. I was so behind my expected timeline I didn't even take a pic of the hydro sample, which looked pretty much about what you might expect mixing 5# of flour into water. The taste was good bitter, pine, dark orange, underneath the sugary malt flavor of course. And it was quite a thick mouthfeel. The suspended flour also screws with refractomer, which gave 1.053 while the two hydrometers I have gave 1.056. I"ll know, and share, more in a week or two.
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Dumped in on the milled Pils malt
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Stirred in the malt
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Some "dumplings" at mash in
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All dumplings gone at 30m when I stirred and took pH sample
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Stirred in rice hulls
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Draining sloooooowly
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Milky boil
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Sounds good! I bet it will be a nice beer!Well I am halfway through the mash using 1 lb MO pale ale malt, 1 lb whole wheat flour, and 0.5 lb white flour (for a small batch). I honestly came in with very low expectations, but so far it has thinned out a lot and is tasting sweet.
Update: Finally have it in the fermenter! Efficiency is somewhere around 70%, better than the 60% I have been hitting. I'm looking forward to seeing how it comes out - I only used Cascade hops.
I also got the lbs.... But today I'm bottling it. At least that's the plan for now.This is my first attempt, where it stands, which is Not Yet Out Of Fermenter. Because of Lazy Brewer Syndrome.
Yeah, I've no clean kegs.
I'm working on it.
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Probably zero head retention. Otherwise absolutely possible!I wonder how this would work with corn flour (aka Masa)...
That sounds like infection to me. The real deal version has so much head that you really need to pour carefully and the hop flavour should be STRONG!Ok. Finally tried it.
Brewed 6 May 2023
Kegged 8 July 2023
1.056 OG (crazy good efficiency) 1.009 FG (Crazy US05 attenuation ~84%) for a 6.3%ABV
It's not my fav, gotta say. There's no head retention (even with wheat?) so I'm wondering what all else I've mucked up. And while the bitterness is fine, there's no discernible hop flavor.
I'll chalk it up to left too long during processing.
Well verdammt.That sounds like infection to me. The real deal version has so much head that you really need to pour carefully and the hop flavour should be STRONG!
Iw as fighting with this type of infection for over a year... was comming and going..... First thing I was witnessing was the complete absence of head retention.Well verdammt.
What did you eventually find?Iw as fighting with this type of infection for over a year... was comming and going..... First thing I was witnessing was the complete absence of head retention.
That I had too much oxygen ingress during fermentation. Leaky fermenters. This in combination with a stubborn bacteria (probably acetic acid bacteria) was the reason why the head producing proteins were disappearing quickly. New fermenter, better seal, problem gone.What did you eventually find?
Hm. That agrees with my leaving it way longer than my “normal” in primary fermenter.That I had too much oxygen ingress during fermentation. Leaky fermenters. This in combination with a stubborn bacteria (probably acetic acid bacteria) was the reason why the head producing proteins were disappearing quickly. New fermenter, better seal, problem gone.
I brewed a beer like this last year. (I just stumbled onto this thread, I know I'm replying to a post a couple of months old) 50% Vienna malt, 50% wheat flour. I lifted almost the whole wort out with the bag and it drained for a bit and quickly clogged up the mesh in the bag. I just lifted first one corner and then the other (back and forth) and it drained pretty well. I actually didn't lose all that much wort to grain absorption, it just took a little longer to drain and I had to keep manipulating it, and then squeezed it at the end.Ok. Mashin was scary w 4# milled Pils malt and 5# bag of flour stirred in w malt the poured and whisked and stirred and whisked and stirred and sweared at, resulting no n what can only best be described at dumpling goo. At 30 min stir and take ph sample, all was lovely. Now the bad news. For anyone trying this BIAB, be prepared to wait about a week for the mash to drain. Perhaps rice hills would have helped. I don’t know. I’ll let you know in about an hour or three how it finally finished. This shows that raising the bag lifted the entire batch pretty much w the water level up high in the bag and very little underneath in the kettle
Movement good. I’m however an avowed non-squeezer. But yeah, movement is good.I brewed a beer like this last year. (I just stumbled onto this thread, I know I'm replying to a post a couple of months old) 50% Vienna malt, 50% wheat flour. I lifted almost the whole wort out with the bag and it drained for a bit and quickly clogged up the mesh in the bag. I just lifted first one corner and then the other (back and forth) and it drained pretty well. I actually didn't lose all that much wort to grain absorption, it just took a little longer to drain and I had to keep manipulating it, and then squeezed it at the end.
Squeezing and movement is necessary for this one. Or a lot of time....Movement good. I’m however an avowed non-squeezer. But yeah, movement is good.
It's going to be a good one!Cross this one off my bucket-list...
Just brewed (1 lb briess 2-row, 2 lbs "white wheat flour") this for 2 gallons, 1.051. 30 minutes Cascade for 33 ibus. Strangest tasting wort I've ever sampled!
Anyways, I figure if nothing else, it'll make a good yeast-cake for an upcoming high gravity beer.
Let us know how it turns out!I’m thrilled I found this. I’m planning a 50/50, P2R/wheat flour. Cellar Science Monk and lemondrop hops for a “Witbier”. If it turns out good I’m going to brew it again for a beer and wine charity event.
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