Lunar Crush lager is pretty good, too. BIG thiol flavors from minimal hopping, in my experience.
interesting, thanks for sharing your experience!lots of guava and passion fruit, but not much of the Centennial and Cascade that I threw in dry hops. It's almost as if the hops don't matter nearly as much. Might be a selling point for a Juicy IPA, and a brewery might save money with this, but I feel like I am losing the lovely hops used.
heads up, cosmic punchers: Omega has gone and upped their game
Introducing Helio Gazer: Your NEIPA. Thiolized.
Created specifically to juicify IPAs, Helio Gazer boosts thiol biotransformation nearly 20x more than Cosmic Punch and more than 200x sensory threshold.
OYL-405: HELIO GAZER ALE
Note: Think of this as an amped up Cosmic Punch
i know what i'll be ordering next...
SanPancho- are your tasty beers made w phantasm powder?thats an interesting take. i havent served a single thiolized beer that wasnt a hit. saaz and cascade in mash, maybe a little bit of very late kettle hop, and some beers with some dry hops, others without. all were damn good.
what i will say is that i am mostly getting the 3mha, which is your passion/guava. havent experienced the black currant, boxfruit, citrus,etc. is that because i keep using saaz/cascade? same base malt? dunno.
theres still too little info/research/results to be able to say, but it'd be damn nice if we could figure out how to hit some of those other notes. otherwise, it can be very one-note, i.e. passion/guava.
but i havent used cosmic, only star party and lunar crush.
I have found that my batch made with Helio Gazer is much more enjoyable as it has aged. It has been in the keg for about 9 weeks. Most times I find my Hazies are kicked in about 4 weeks. This one has hung around because I just have not been craving a glass. The Thiol character was just too prominent and had a bit of an artificial vibe, and that has improved. I would be a little curious to try a batch made with Cosmic Punch instead to see if that provides a more balanced level of thiols.Your results may vary...
nope. just the mash hops. and a small late-kettle charge often.SanPancho- are your tasty beers made w phantasm powder?
I wonder if that could be the difference. My first batch w Cosmic will be w/o phantasm.
i've been meaning to write up my experience with HG but have been too lazy... short version: same. i did all the thiol-precursor-boosting things (mash hops, phantasm, generous amount of thiol-rich late hops) and the jolly rancher/froot loops flavor was over the top. i mostly enjoyed it, but it was a bit much. next time i use that yeast i'll be dialing down the precursors. or might just use CP instead, given its lower output of thiols.I have found that my batch made with Helio Gazer is much more enjoyable as it has aged. It has been in the keg for about 9 weeks. Most times I find my Hazies are kicked in about 4 weeks. This one has hung around because I just have not been craving a glass. The Thiol character was just too prominent and had a bit of an artificial vibe, and that has improved. I would be a little curious to try a batch made with Cosmic Punch instead to see if that provides a more balanced level of thiols.
yup, that's my conclusion too - don't wanna have too much of a good thing.I'm definitely toning down the freeing-up processes
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